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  • #4075

    Sunny Henderson
    Participant

    That’s a bummer.

    Does the editor work with very much of your kind of writing? Editing educational text and fiction stories is a whole different ballgame.


    • #4077

      James Schmidt
      Participant

      Sunny and Margie –

      This editor has done both academic and fiction writing editing and for many years (retired college English professor). My father was a college math and computer science professor and actually that is how I was put in contact with this particular editor. This person has credentials.

      I have heard so many tales of terror with writers who have hired someone claiming to do editing who really couldn’t and I wanted to avoid that.

      I also kind of feel a bit between a rock and a hard place here because this person knows my father and his college friends. I don’t want there to be any hard feelings. I mean, I am sure this person is genuinely trying to help me make the stories better. However, they also make the stories seem more generic and tasteless to me. No flavor – you know what I mean?

      I am seriously thinking about submitting it to another editor and seeing if they come up with similar suggestions. Maybe the way I see my story is not a good way and maybe this is one of those hurdles I need to overcome before I can get better.

      What is your opinion?

      Thanks

      James Schmidt (J.L.S)


      James Lee Schmidt

  • #4076

    Margie Deeb
    Participant

    Dear James,

    Yes, its very possible that this isn’t the editor for you, no matter how skilled and accomplished the editor is. The clues are here:

    You wrote:

    The story doesn’t really have the feel that I was going for anymore. I don’t want to sound ungrateful, but it kind of sucked all the passion I had for the story right out the window….I know several college professors who use this editor when they go to publish very important papers and all speak highly of this person.

    This editor may be fantastic at academic, formal, cerebral writing. And not good at fiction and emotional writing and passion.

    I’ve had copy editors suck the passion out of my words, too. They placed words and form over content and meaning. They shied away from my passion. That is not my style. I had to find another editor.

    You aren’t crazy.

    If it were me in this situation, I would trust myself. Listen carefully to the changes made, weigh them, and get other opinions. Use your cartel as sounding board.


    • #4078

      James Schmidt
      Participant

      OOps – I thought I had this in an area where I replied to both you and Sunny. Anyway my thoughts are listed above.

      Thanks again for the advice.

      I really appreciate getting some feedback here. I know both you and Sunny have Published books already and I just really wanted to hear some different perspectives. You hit it right on the head. It feels like the feel was deleted in favor of correctness and formality.

      Thanks.

      James Schmidt (J.L.S.)


      James Lee Schmidt

  • #4083

    Sunny Henderson
    Participant

    I second Margie’s idea to use your Cartel as a sounding board. Do you have a Cartel? Now’s the time to find one.


  • #4092

    Angie Mroczka
    Participant

    I completely agree with the others.

    As someone who has worked with several editors (I employ 5 at the moment), they each have their own style and experience.

    Maybe instead of jumping into an editor relationship, find a good beta reader. Someone in your cartel may be the perfect person. You might even find someone in this group too.

    Ease yourself into the editing process and when it is time to work with one again, interview the editors and maybe ask for some names of books they have worked with.

    Putting yourself “out there” can sometimes be hard, but a disagreeable editor relationship can really stifle your Inner Writer. I know that is what did it for me.

    Good luck!!


    Thanks!
    Angie

    • #4094

      James Schmidt
      Participant

      Angie – I really appreciate the information and the insights. The guidance from You and Margie and Sunny is really nice to have. I have given my stories to people to edit in the past – an old friend from college helps me when she has time but she does not consider herself a “professional”. I thought that maybe by hiring someone with a highly respected reputation, I’d be able to take my writing to a higher level. To really trim the fat and make things really solid.

      Instead, the red markings all over my paper made me worry that this editor had cut themselves severely when editing, because I could hardly see my story anymore. It was a REAL confidence rocker, I’ll tell you that much.

      I think maybe I will go back to square one with my story, let a few more people read it – maybe even post it to the Story Cartel here to get some feedback, and then maybe someone can point me in the direction of an editor that might be willing to help.

      On a side note – How would you recommend going about informing this editor that maybe we don’t work so well together? I don’t want any hard feelings, but I think we have vastly different takes on things.

      Again – I really appreciate the help. I thought I had a pretty good story and then – Not So Much!!!

      Sincerely,

      James Schmidt (J.L.S.)


      James Lee Schmidt

  • #4096

    Margie Deeb
    Participant

    Hi James,

    Sorry I couldn’t get back to you earlier than now.

    As for talking to this editor, a professional editor knows not to take feedback to their edits personally, so you’ll hopefully have that working for you.

    If it were me, I’d begin the conversation telling her what I liked about her edits, give a couple specific example, and what I appreciate. Then I’d say something like “I’m concerned that maybe my voice is getting lost here, so I wanted to ask you a few questions….” I would then ask her what she was going for and what she envisioned when she cut this or that. Aiming for an open dialogue.

    When I start with editors, I make sure they know what I am going for, what emotional tone I’m trying to convey, and I ask them to look for it, to make sure its coming across. I make sure, as best I can, that we are in agreement about that before she begins editing.

    What you’re going through right now is pretty common.

    I hope this helps.


    • #4102

      James Schmidt
      Participant

      As always Margie, thanks for the guidance.

      You read my Ten Second Rule story, so you know I love playing golf. It’s something I have been doing since the 6th grade and even to this day I still take lessons throughout the year. The golf coaches I work with tend to look at my game, scope my weaknesses, and then give me some exercises to work on to improve and get better. That is kind of how I pictured it would be working with a professional editor. I would show them what I have, tell them where I was wanting to go, and then let them make suggestions how to get there. Looking back – I might not have made that clear.

      I think I will take your advice and not cut and run just yet. Maybe we need a better dialogue. Maybe the story I was wanting to tell was not coming through clearly enough. And maybe, when it’s all said and done, this doesn’t make a good partnership, and that’s OK.

      Again – I don’t want people to get the impression that this person scalded me because that is absolutely not the case. I believe they were truly trying to be as helpful as possible. But man – it was eye openingly harsh!

      Thanks Margie.

      James Schmidt (J.L.S.)


      James Lee Schmidt

  • #4356

    Ann Stanley
    Participant

    This is a great discussion, which touches on issues many of us will face when we deal with editors. I wondered initially if the editor was trying to make the story more generic, to fit expectations and be more publishable, but reading the whole back and forth tells me that it wasn’t that. Instead, I loved Angie’s comment about telling the editor the feel you’re looking for before they even start reading the piece, and I love the way you’re now collaborating to create the story you want and learn to be a better writer. Good going, James.
    I suspect it’s always hard to get that first set of edits on a story. It often feels to me as if my baby has been murdered, but, when I take a step back, I see that there’re a lot of helpful comments to address. Sounds like you’ve found that place, James.

  • #4306

    James Schmidt
    Participant

    I just wanted to follow up and let those of you who offered suggestions about how to deal with editors know what has transpired since.

    I took your advice and I had a real candid conversation with this editor whom I had enlisted to help with my stories. I explained that I thought that many of the editing suggestions were lacking my voice and personality and that I just felt some of the edits were wrong. I wanted to make clear where I was coming from as well as allow them explain where they were coming from.

    Well I just wanted everyone out there to know that the conversation went really well. She explained that editor/writer relationships can be a whole lot like dating someone. You need to go out a few times before you really start to know a person, and I appreciated that immensely.

    Now she did stick to her guns regarding certain aspects of my writing (My tendencies to OVERwrite things, my poor punctuation, and that I tend to structure my thoughts poorly which makes it difficult for a reader to follow – like what I am doing right now), but I respect that. I mean I am striving to get better. That is my primary goal. Yet she also listened to what I was trying to say and how I wanted to say it, and she let me know that she understood entirely. It was very refreshing as well as extremely motivating.

    Again – I want to thank all of you for your advice and guidance. I can’t tell you what it meant and because of your help I think I took a big step forward.

    Thanks Again.

    James Lee Schmidt (J.L.S.)


    James Lee Schmidt

  • #4307

    Margie Deeb
    Participant

    Hi James,

    Thanks for letting us know, and congratulations! She sounds professional.

    Is she going to re-do any of what she did prior based on your concerns?

    I’m so glad you went back and talked with her. I would have wanted that if I were editing for someone: the feedback and the opportunity to discuss their concerns about what I had done on the first time working together.


    • This reply was modified 10 years, 10 months ago by  Margie Deeb.
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  • #4317

    Sunny Henderson
    Participant

    Great news!


  • #4320

    James Schmidt
    Participant

    Margie – Thanks for all the support. The answer to your question of re-editing is yes. In fact that’s one of the reasons why I have not been as active here in the Story Cartel lately. We are both reworking the story and both of us are listening as well as suggesting things that need to change. It feels very collaborative.

    Once again, I really, really appreciate all the advice from you, Sunny, and Angie. I’ll admit that to being a bit downhearted after that initial edit. But after coming to a meeting of the minds things are starting to feel very positive and I am motivated to make big strides.

    I’m hoping that you and the rest of the Story Cartel will start to see improvements in my writing as we move forward.


    James Lee Schmidt

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