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May 29, 2014 at 9:55 pm #3174
A delicate piece. Part of the charm for me is not always knowing exactly what you mean. I sometimes write that way myself, in little secrets and allusions. There are a few things that need cleaning up sentence structure and grammatically but I am not the strongest in that area and there are some in this class who are very good at editing so I will say it is a very nice piece of hints and whispers and sweetness.
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May 30, 2014 at 12:42 pm #3233
I like the first line. I’ve always been told it has to grab you, and this one compels you to read further. The bird and references to Carnegie Hall are great. The one thing I’d like to see is a hint of motive. I get that it was probably the mother who cracked the kid over the head, but there’s no indication or hint that the mother is off-base in any way. Also, questioning “who ever heard of telecommuting” almost begs for a time-stamp somewhere, as that’s pretty common in cites now.
I know that 750 is a pretty tight restriction, but I think you can tweak this a bit if its a stand alone. That’s almost the trick isn’t it? Can we make en tire story in 750 words? If we can just think how great a long story would be, with multiple 750 sections!
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May 31, 2014 at 8:41 pm #3376
As mentioned, I replied below, Scott. ;p
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May 30, 2014 at 2:56 pm #3234
Hi Scott,
I need to come by your profile page. I’ve been too busy writing.
I questioned whether to just write a fiction piece with the turn of phrase and characterizations that are so fun to write. Instead, I choose the more challenging writing and I’m glad I did now as it shows the holes that need to be filled.The “stranger” was actually the person who came in through the front door. It wasn’t just hitting over the head that he did either. As it is a difficult piece to write, I instead used repetitive words like “head” etc. for the clues for the reader. “Whispers” as LoriMarie mentioned; which helps me understand that instead of just hinting I should mention the rape rather than spare the reader.
I didn’t run this through a word counter or even a grammar check as I just wanted to post it. I love your line about short stories streamed together for a novel with tight writing throughout. You’re a great teacher I can see already and I like your critique. Thank you.
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May 30, 2014 at 11:45 pm #3259
Hi Lee,
I loved the second paragraph, with Carnegie swooping over the protagonist. It’s so vivid, and the seven wing flaps add a delightful specificity. You brought me right into the scene and drew me forward.
I also love the imagery “I came home, took off my street clothes and wrapped myself in my pink blanket, curling up on the extra wide plush chair in my bedroom.” Once again, I can see this girl, who is suffering from migraines.
I gather that you are trying to tell about something which really happened to you. You’re speaking as an adult about an important (life-changing?) event in the past, sparing us many of the details, and yet trying to convey the disorientation you felt, between being sick, being knocked out, and losing the pet bird. This may be too large an event and reaction to describe in 750 words, but, if you want you could get more of it in by leaving out extraneous details. We don’t need to know that your mother is unconventional, for example. Perhaps we also don’t need to know that you went to the doctor’s that morning, only that you’re middle-school age, home alone with a migraine, and asleep.
Then, as you mentioned to Scoot, you have to be more explicit that you were raped, instead of hinting. I had no idea what the extra evidence was. I wasn’t even sure that a stranger had come into the house. Don’t shy away from giving us the gory details.I couldn’t understand this phrase:
“My blanket seemed to have been released as if held tightly, just above my head.” Held by who? released by who? On the floor or hanging in the air?Nice draft. What a difficult event to write about! Bravo for even trying!
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May 31, 2014 at 9:46 am #3274
Thank you for such a close reading, Ann. Yes, it did happen to me. It was one of too many life changing events.
This is the first in a much longer work that the individual elements (Mom’s unconventional ways) come into play later on and need to be established, ending in a glorious fashion that I hope to help others by writing. But as a short piece, as you mention, it could be moved out for a more complete one-off unto itself.
Writing in first person in an adult voice for the younger is always something to wrestle with. But I, older and wiser I hope, am placing myself as the narrator.
Rape is such a hard thing to discuss in our culture, or any other culture, I imagine. This I wrote with my heart pounding and didn’t even spellcheck it as I was fighting against my impulse to keep it hidden, leaving what I’ve learned meaningless unless told.
But hinting is never good at storytelling, is it? I am so close to this piece compared to my fiction I need to hear the details that don’t make sense; the blanket was clutched by me while being dragged off the chair, the time stamp that Scott mentioned, etc.
The final point that I didn’t realize until now was that my innocence flew away with Carnegie.
Thank you again for your great criti1que.
P.S.Are we allowed to make changed to this first draft within the forums here?
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May 31, 2014 at 2:56 pm #3328
I don’t know if we are allowed to present a new version, Lee, but why not? I would love to see what you do with it. Again, I am impressed that you have the courage to present such a deeply personal, horrifying experience.
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June 3, 2014 at 11:51 pm #3590
Like Ann, I have to admire your bravery. You suggested hinting is not a good way to tell a story, and I believe you are wrong. Hinting is an excellent way to tell a story, you just have to make sure the details and hints you are giving are raising questions, and that there is a drive for the reader to find the answer to those questions.
The hints were too subtle for me to follow, and I too, thought perhaps your mother had knocked you over the head. She is, after all, described as unconventional. 🙂
I know you have the capacity to bring more emotion to the piece, be it anger, frustration, or just the feeling of loss.
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June 4, 2014 at 2:08 am #3596
Lee, I too would like to echo the thoughts of all here. I must confess to have lived a fairly sheltered life and reading your very personal story has given me perspective and insights that are new to me. I salute you, because honestly I don’t know if I could be as brave.
I wanted to add my comment in along with the other James in this class, because I totally agree with what he is saying. Hinting or alluding to the deeper plot in a story can definitely get the reader engaged, because I believe we are all curious by nature. The trick is not to obscure it so much that the reader is still vague on the details.
With respect, when I first read through your story, I had finished thinking it was a story about a young girl living with an alcoholic mother. That’s truly what I thought the story had been about. It was only after reading your comments and that of others that I finally understood. I just didn’t pick up on the hints in the story without additional clarification.
Again, you have tackled a difficult subject matter that most would probably avoid. That, to me, is what’s so great about talking to other writers. It helps you to understand the world by looking through someone else’s eyes.
God Bless,
J.L.S
James Lee Schmidt
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May 31, 2014 at 11:10 am #3286
I love the fact that you definitely have a voice: a clear, natural voice with personality. The true sign of a writer.
I love Carnegie as a vehicle, a necklace, to hold the story together. Also, as a reminder that life is sweet, although bad, frightening things can happen.
My only criticism is that you are holding what actually happened too close to the breast. Why was she hit over the head? Was it her mother who did it? Was there a robbery? I often have the same problem in my writing: I can be too subtle, assuming the reader gets it.
I just read your last post: I had no idea there had been a rape. And I guess that sums up my criticism.
But easy to fix. And lovely tone and voice and reality.
Michael
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May 31, 2014 at 1:29 pm #3327
Micheal,
This gift that you have given me, your words, mean more than my words could say.
I will treasure your critique, your gift, and look back on it always, as a reminder.Thank you.
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May 31, 2014 at 3:34 pm #3335
It’s very hard, Ann. But it’s for a greater good. I have felt a hole in my heart my entire life. But finally getting Baptised and confirmed in the Catholic Church filled that hole and filled me with joy. Even after the chemo and meds and pain that is non-ending, the joy is phenomenal. It filled a hole for me and as I shakily write this “thing” (God help me) I hope to show (without being preachy or pushy, who needs that?) others that you can find a solution.
I just hope I can do it.
The community that Joe has built and all of you may just make that possible. It’s much more fun to create fiction. Each word I write…even now, makes me shake. But I feel this is important for others who have traveled the same path. I just don’t want to make it yet another “oh-what-happened-to-me” story. That isn’t the basis for the book.
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May 31, 2014 at 3:37 pm #3336
Thank you for stepping out. I, too, was raped at age 7. My description of my incident will be in my novel I am working on now. For our friendship I feel a deep bond and wish you the very best in your career and life.
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May 31, 2014 at 4:12 pm #3339
I am so sorry to hear of your innocence lost, Juanita. Yes, it is a deep bond, in a club that no one wanted to join. But it is good to connect with others who understand. Concepts of life and building an understanding of the world at 7 is so highly important to all youngsters. The fact that you were stopped in those areas is a crime and I wish I could take that away from you. Know that I am here for you if you need to talk. You can find hyperlinks on my profile or connect with me on Facebook now that the chat is over there.
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June 2, 2014 at 10:22 pm #3510
Dear Lee,
I just read your story and all the comments and and very moved. I absolutely love your use of Carnegie the bird. Such a delicate and beautiful image, motif, and soul, that little bird is.
And I read your response in a post: “The final point that I didn’t realize until now was that my innocence flew away with Carnegie.”
Wow. That is really fun image and metaphor worth pursuing. Very real, very poetic, evocative.
I don’t have anything else to add in the way of feedback, everyone has said it so well. And you already understand that revealing more will make this speak to more people on deeper levels.
You and Juanita are not alone in writing about rape. It is terrifying, and yet, so very necessary. I admire the courage – your courage – it took to write and speak of this on the first lesson in the course! I am standing up for you, metaphorically applauding.
Thank you for your vulnerability. It makes me feel less alone and safe. I feel more connected to you, and that I want to get to know you better because of it. It also inspires me to be more vulnerable.
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June 3, 2014 at 9:57 pm #3580
Dear Margie,
I am sorry for the day’s delay in a reply to such humbling comments.
I am deeply humbled by your beautiful words and sentiments. And, if it is the case that you suffer as well, I send you all of the healing I can. If there was one thing through my life I’ve learned it’s that laughter will get you through. Sometimes this is difficult, to say the least (as in writing something that will be read 🙂 but all of your comments give me strength to continue; something I nearly thought I needed to quit and just write fiction, but this is important for others who suffer in silence.
Thanks you for your utterly kind comments. And for not pointing out all of the errors. 😉 I just had to get it “out there” and get rid of it. You are correct, it needs a rewrite but, beyond the spelling/grammatical errors there is more to tweak. I have learned that through you and all who have commented. What a process.
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June 3, 2014 at 11:59 pm #3592
Opening yourself up in your writing, and putting vulnerability aside is one of the most profound things you will ever do to improve your writing.
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June 4, 2014 at 10:52 pm #3684
Hi James,
Thanks for stopping by. I think your comment is perfect for many nouns in addition to vulnerability: ego, control, et al. Thank you for underlying what I have set out to do and it already has improved my writing in flash stories and others that I have shared without qualm. What could be the harm in sharing your fiction when your non-fiction is so much scarier to share.
Best to you,
Lee
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June 2, 2014 at 11:02 pm #3511
I am struck and humbled by your willingness to share this deep and lasting wound. Your first sentence about it being stunningly easy to forget—well I don’t believe that. You went from cuddling in a pink blanket on a soft chair to crying, holding shards of glass, your blood and some unknown wine “messing up” your room, never to be cleaned up. I take it that therapists took advantage of you in later life. All of this is powerful, the worse for your lack of understanding, and the sweetness of your personality.
There were brilliant descriptive phrases in your short piece. The bird, the name of the bird, the name of the cage door left open and the fact that the bird flew and never returned-all of that is gut wrenching for it is a parody of your own lost innocence.Indeed you never returned either. I like the idea of the irony of staying home because of a headache.
This needs rewriting. In fact, with the over and over of the telling, perhaps the anger will come. I didn’t hear that in your piece-only the hint of others who did not clean up the mess, and the confusion. Your mother left the door open. Was that anger you were feeling at that? What happened when she came home? So much more to write. You have engaged all of us in your story.Perhaps together we will at last clean up the mess.
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June 3, 2014 at 10:43 pm #3584
Hi Susan!
So much of what you have written is kinder than I will ever have imagined myself being in this situation (I never thought about the fact that I might have been a different person, however one wants to look at that, had this not happened to me.) Much of my prior comment to Margie also applies to you as I am humbled by your thoughtfulness.
As far as rewriting the piece, in the spirit of being fair, I only made edits prior to the posting as detailed at the bottom of the story. And again I just imagine the little things such as the misspelling of grade school vocabulary words (ugh!) let alone many other things.
On the larger scale of rewriting, I most definitely will. I am not sure whether that will be an upcoming lesson or not so I’m holding steady with the fact that I even copied Word fields in the story!
I find it difficult to find anger anywhere regrading this. There is more of a sadness and loss. I guess because it happened so long ago and I’ve built up some iron around the mold castings, so to speak.
Your last line is both true and made me smile. Thank you, Susan. I will be visiting you very soon! 😉
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June 9, 2014 at 5:01 pm #3927
I thought I commented on this before, but I must have been sidetracked on the way.
Your opening line is fantastic. It hangs a huge question mark in the reader’s mind, and you have to read on to find out more. My only problem with the piece is that, upon reaching the end, I still had that question mark hung in my mind. Once I read the comments, I realized your meaning.
Thank you for your bravery in sharing this story. My guess is that you’re still (and always will be) processing this experience and that is why it’s a bit unclear upon retelling. That’s the protective nature of the psyche. Pieces come and pieces go. Words have such wings in trials such as these.
I, too, loved Carnegie and how you thread the bird throughout the story. And “Carnegie Hall”? So clever!
Thanks so much for sharing, Lee!
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June 11, 2014 at 7:04 pm #4015
God bless you, Sunny. Knowing the horrid grammar, spelling mistakes in my exercise, I was in fear of the second part of the critique process. How silly am I to worry with such a special group of people to surround me and help me.
I look up to you immensely, and your comments are gold to me, as all have been.
I can’t wait to go further in this particular piece, as scary as it was, and incorporate the lessons learned.
Thank you so much!
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July 8, 2014 at 7:37 am #4506
What can I add? I agree with the praise and the criticism that came before. I realized that it wasn’t her mother who had hit her, I thought it was a burglar and was confused as to his having cleaned up the mess. And I gather that she/you doesn’t really remember because she was knocked out before the ordeal.
Still, I think that you displayed courage in fighting your demons and having come through as a strong and caring individual despite it all. More strength to you.
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